Comments on: Pre-fall Mediation http://wedgewords.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/pre-fall-mediation/ Wherefore Art Thou? Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:24:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: arlan aquino http://wedgewords.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/pre-fall-mediation/#comment-959 arlan aquino Wed, 07 May 2008 08:38:00 +0000 http://wedgewords.wordpress.com/?p=427#comment-959 Thanks Steven for the response. I am struggling these days to formulate the universal-particular dimensions of the gospel. The denomination in which I serve has recently embraced a Barthian view of soteriology. Humanity is elect in Christ and everyone is reconciled already, though not everyone knows it yet; those who don't know it yet do not enjoy the benefits of the reconciliation. I think that is a fair summary. I look forward to reading some of your formulations, should you get around to doing them. Would appreciate also if you could point me to some resources I can consult. Thanks. Thanks Steven for the response. I am struggling these days to formulate the universal-particular dimensions of the gospel. The denomination in which I serve has recently embraced a Barthian view of soteriology. Humanity is elect in Christ and everyone is reconciled already, though not everyone knows it yet; those who don’t know it yet do not enjoy the benefits of the reconciliation. I think that is a fair summary.

I look forward to reading some of your formulations, should you get around to doing them. Would appreciate also if you could point me to some resources I can consult. Thanks.

]]> By: Steven W http://wedgewords.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/pre-fall-mediation/#comment-958 Steven W Wed, 07 May 2008 03:55:34 +0000 http://wedgewords.wordpress.com/?p=427#comment-958 It's an interesting question. Only believers are properly redeemed, though I think there is something to a universal gospel message which the faithless reject. The pastor may proclaim that Christ has made a person right with God, but that person might then reject the great gift out of faithless ingratitude. I could see appropriate formulations for this. Paul will use universalistic language from time to time, and I think he's got some realized eschatology going, centered in Christ of course. It’s an interesting question. Only believers are properly redeemed, though I think there is something to a universal gospel message which the faithless reject.

The pastor may proclaim that Christ has made a person right with God, but that person might then reject the great gift out of faithless ingratitude.

I could see appropriate formulations for this. Paul will use universalistic language from time to time, and I think he’s got some realized eschatology going, centered in Christ of course.

]]> By: arlan aquino http://wedgewords.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/pre-fall-mediation/#comment-957 arlan aquino Wed, 07 May 2008 03:49:33 +0000 http://wedgewords.wordpress.com/?p=427#comment-957 Steven, you said "We, however, are to be in an even greater position of gratitude, as we have been redeemed, as well as sustained." Are you using "we" to refer to all humanity? Or, to believers? Steven, you said “We, however, are to be in an even greater position of gratitude, as we have been redeemed, as well as sustained.”

Are you using “we” to refer to all humanity? Or, to believers?

]]> By: Mark http://wedgewords.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/pre-fall-mediation/#comment-948 Mark Mon, 05 May 2008 04:28:14 +0000 http://wedgewords.wordpress.com/?p=427#comment-948 "Firstly, Calvin takes it as axiomatic that life is not an inherent property of creation, but rather comes from the eternal Logos. In Christ is the life of man, and in separation from Christ, there is only death." Thus, Calvin was a convinced Athanasian. “Firstly, Calvin takes it as axiomatic that life is not an inherent property of creation, but rather comes from the eternal Logos. In Christ is the life of man, and in separation from Christ, there is only death.”

Thus, Calvin was a convinced Athanasian.

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